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		<title>By: OLPC about to self destruct? ~ numerodix blog</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2006/09/12/one-computer-for-every-two-students/#comment-54604</link>
		<dc:creator>OLPC about to self destruct? ~ numerodix blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 21:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recall pondering the real purpose of the project, asking what is going to be achieved with these laptops. The OLPC project had a very good answer to this. They said the laptops will [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2006/09/12/one-computer-for-every-two-students/#comment-1805</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Australia, and I think your article is very relevant to the situation here.

In primary school, we had Macs in the earlier years, and we were never taught to use them. So us kids would teach ourselves, and play all the fun games (remember spectre challenger?) and draw pictures (a la Kid Pix).

Later on in primary school, they &quot;upgraded&quot; to PC&#039;s with Windows. Again, nothing was formally taught. The teachers were barely more computer literate than we were (some significantly less so). As such, I learnt most of my skills at home.

In High School, again there were no formal classes. We used them a bit in Maths, playing some lateral thinking and logic games (I maintain that &#039;Maths Circus&#039; is fantastic), and a bit in Music, for compositions and audiatory training. Otherwise it was just &quot;research&quot; or word processing. At this point, it was assumed one could use a computer. 

It saddens me that it&#039;s pretty much a MS shop around here. One of the reasons for this is that MS gives away lots of software to schools. In the IT classes (an actual elective), they &quot;teach&quot; Visual Basic.

In an ideal world, students could be taught not so much how to use a particlar piece of software (eg: Windows, Photoshop, Word, etc) but rather, how to quickly pick up a tool and use it (eg: This is a GUI, so it will most likely behave like this). Most geeks achieve this meta-learning by themselves, but most users are intimidated by even a small change...

And in IT, they would start people with something a little less shallow. Even plain BASIC would be better (I started coding with QBASIC, hehe)... VB obfuscates the logic flow, and kids get distracted by the pretty bells and whistles of the GUI...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Australia, and I think your article is very relevant to the situation here.</p>
<p>In primary school, we had Macs in the earlier years, and we were never taught to use them. So us kids would teach ourselves, and play all the fun games (remember spectre challenger?) and draw pictures (a la Kid Pix).</p>
<p>Later on in primary school, they &#8220;upgraded&#8221; to PC&#8217;s with Windows. Again, nothing was formally taught. The teachers were barely more computer literate than we were (some significantly less so). As such, I learnt most of my skills at home.</p>
<p>In High School, again there were no formal classes. We used them a bit in Maths, playing some lateral thinking and logic games (I maintain that &#8216;Maths Circus&#8217; is fantastic), and a bit in Music, for compositions and audiatory training. Otherwise it was just &#8220;research&#8221; or word processing. At this point, it was assumed one could use a computer. </p>
<p>It saddens me that it&#8217;s pretty much a MS shop around here. One of the reasons for this is that MS gives away lots of software to schools. In the IT classes (an actual elective), they &#8220;teach&#8221; Visual Basic.</p>
<p>In an ideal world, students could be taught not so much how to use a particlar piece of software (eg: Windows, Photoshop, Word, etc) but rather, how to quickly pick up a tool and use it (eg: This is a GUI, so it will most likely behave like this). Most geeks achieve this meta-learning by themselves, but most users are intimidated by even a small change&#8230;</p>
<p>And in IT, they would start people with something a little less shallow. Even plain BASIC would be better (I started coding with QBASIC, hehe)&#8230; VB obfuscates the logic flow, and kids get distracted by the pretty bells and whistles of the GUI&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ash</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2006/09/12/one-computer-for-every-two-students/#comment-1484</link>
		<dc:creator>ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure about scrapping science either. In this country the number of people taking science and technical subjects for a degree is decreasing, and the shortage is bad in the long term. Part of the problem is that most schools only teach a sort of &#039;combined&#039; science that lumps the different disciplines together rather than each on their own merits.

Yes most people aren&#039;t going to use it for a job, but then I&#039;m not going to use any geography or history - I still appreciate having learnt it and knowing about the world. And if they weren&#039;t taught, I wouldn&#039;t know whether I &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be interested in them or not.

Debate is good and I always say that more philosophy should get taught. But debate as a replacement for science is dangerous, and sounds like the kind of thing the supporters of Intelligent Design would propose - muddying the picture and giving the impression that nothing is certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure about scrapping science either. In this country the number of people taking science and technical subjects for a degree is decreasing, and the shortage is bad in the long term. Part of the problem is that most schools only teach a sort of &#8216;combined&#8217; science that lumps the different disciplines together rather than each on their own merits.</p>
<p>Yes most people aren&#8217;t going to use it for a job, but then I&#8217;m not going to use any geography or history &#8211; I still appreciate having learnt it and knowing about the world. And if they weren&#8217;t taught, I wouldn&#8217;t know whether I <i>might</i> be interested in them or not.</p>
<p>Debate is good and I always say that more philosophy should get taught. But debate as a replacement for science is dangerous, and sounds like the kind of thing the supporters of Intelligent Design would propose &#8211; muddying the picture and giving the impression that nothing is certain.</p>
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		<title>By: numerodix</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2006/09/12/one-computer-for-every-two-students/#comment-1471</link>
		<dc:creator>numerodix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t think I would like to scrap science subjects. They are useful, even if you don&#039;t pursue anything technical. Just like mathematics (and computer skills like I talked about) has a general degree of being useful for the average person. In my schools I always complained about the lack of science, instead of physics and chemistry they would give us 90% biology, which was a complete waste of time to me. If you want to treat subjects fairly, at least divide them equally.

I didn&#039;t know that the internationalization thing was common for everyone, that sounds like a very good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t think I would like to scrap science subjects. They are useful, even if you don&#8217;t pursue anything technical. Just like mathematics (and computer skills like I talked about) has a general degree of being useful for the average person. In my schools I always complained about the lack of science, instead of physics and chemistry they would give us 90% biology, which was a complete waste of time to me. If you want to treat subjects fairly, at least divide them equally.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that the internationalization thing was common for everyone, that sounds like a very good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2006/09/12/one-computer-for-every-two-students/#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon the use of the wrong code there, the smilies sometimes make me think I&#039;m writing on a forum :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the use of the wrong code there, the smilies sometimes make me think I&#8217;m writing on a forum <img src='http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/biggrin.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2006/09/12/one-computer-for-every-two-students/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had the power, I would seriously overhaul the education system of this country. Science and physics are useful, should you choose to continue to work towards having a job in the sector. For me, it was absolutely pointless. I would like for kids to learn to [i]think[/i], not just [i]absorb[/i] knowledge which they usually forget anyway. My ideal education would feature a lot of time dedicated to a course called [i]Relative Science[/i]. Make the kids debate, hold presentations, discuss hot topics of society, learn how to deal with other cultures, take away stereotypes and prejudice. I think the computer can play a very big role in that but not beyond the point of [i]users[/i], as you described. 

Kids at Dutch high schools nowadays are, through internet chats, e-mail and certain websites, taking part in classes in which they are being brought in touch with their counterparts throughout the world. Which, with financial situations as they are right now, usually means elsewhere in the West. They will spend a great deal of time talking to people from other cultures in other languages and will, at least once, meet those other classes in real life. I think that is a new and absolutely fundamental aspect of modern education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had the power, I would seriously overhaul the education system of this country. Science and physics are useful, should you choose to continue to work towards having a job in the sector. For me, it was absolutely pointless. I would like for kids to learn to [i]think[/i], not just [i]absorb[/i] knowledge which they usually forget anyway. My ideal education would feature a lot of time dedicated to a course called [i]Relative Science[/i]. Make the kids debate, hold presentations, discuss hot topics of society, learn how to deal with other cultures, take away stereotypes and prejudice. I think the computer can play a very big role in that but not beyond the point of [i]users[/i], as you described. </p>
<p>Kids at Dutch high schools nowadays are, through internet chats, e-mail and certain websites, taking part in classes in which they are being brought in touch with their counterparts throughout the world. Which, with financial situations as they are right now, usually means elsewhere in the West. They will spend a great deal of time talking to people from other cultures in other languages and will, at least once, meet those other classes in real life. I think that is a new and absolutely fundamental aspect of modern education.</p>
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