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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-117705</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love all the comments about Linux and users and not knowing anything.  Reality is I don&#039;t get paid to play music, but to admin servers. Just tonight I want to listen to some Metallica, but something broke gstreamer and now instead of doing work I get paid for I am tinkering with sound stuff.  Amen - I just want sound to work - this is one place where Windows rocks.  Note I said one place....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love all the comments about Linux and users and not knowing anything.  Reality is I don&#8217;t get paid to play music, but to admin servers. Just tonight I want to listen to some Metallica, but something broke gstreamer and now instead of doing work I get paid for I am tinkering with sound stuff.  Amen &#8211; I just want sound to work &#8211; this is one place where Windows rocks.  Note I said one place&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-111316</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the &quot;read a man page&quot; responders do you expect everyone that drives to fix their own car and take the hours or days to fix a clutch or brakes? I would assume no.  Most are really not interested in how, they just want to use it.  After 20 years of working on my own cars, I am tired of spending time under a car and not with my kids or wife that miss me while at work all week.  

For Linux to get popular these dumb issues like this sound need to get fixed - because its driving folks back to stuff that works in other OS&#039;s for 20 years now. My wife is using Windows now because in Ubuntu studio she had spotty issues with sound or jack or upgrade broke something, youtube did not work and in Windows it just works,  I have limited time and she wants to compose music, not become a software nerd.

Linux sound seems caught up in politics and if its ever gonna be mainstream, just make it work.

&quot;Ok Grandma, open a terminal window - we are gonna become root and edit the config file in vi, then install a couple packages&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the &#8220;read a man page&#8221; responders do you expect everyone that drives to fix their own car and take the hours or days to fix a clutch or brakes? I would assume no.  Most are really not interested in how, they just want to use it.  After 20 years of working on my own cars, I am tired of spending time under a car and not with my kids or wife that miss me while at work all week.  </p>
<p>For Linux to get popular these dumb issues like this sound need to get fixed &#8211; because its driving folks back to stuff that works in other OS&#8217;s for 20 years now. My wife is using Windows now because in Ubuntu studio she had spotty issues with sound or jack or upgrade broke something, youtube did not work and in Windows it just works,  I have limited time and she wants to compose music, not become a software nerd.</p>
<p>Linux sound seems caught up in politics and if its ever gonna be mainstream, just make it work.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ok Grandma, open a terminal window &#8211; we are gonna become root and edit the config file in vi, then install a couple packages&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lostinspace</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-99412</link>
		<dc:creator>lostinspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha so funny :) love the IE comment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha so funny <img src='http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  love the IE comment</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-93557</link>
		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi...
   I would like to know where i&#039;d get the mp3 dependency for audio-converter-mod (fedora core 8, x86_64 architecture). thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi&#8230;<br />
   I would like to know where i&#8217;d get the mp3 dependency for audio-converter-mod (fedora core 8, x86_64 architecture). thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tom.M</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-90342</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom.M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little while back I asked some questions to the pulse team about the state of play regarding pulse/alsa and the many offshoots we have. I also asked them about the possibility of merging pulse and alsa to give us one interface, and them direct access to functions in ALSA.

They came back to me to say this will never happen, however I have seen proof that the ALSA team are willing to help PulseAudio become a stable entity, including fixes.

It&#039;s also worth noting that ALSA&#039;s backend (Hardware) is extremely stable. It&#039;s their frontends that need work.

So I gather from that that we need pulseaudio to cement it&#039;s position in the desktop, and for pulse and ALSA to continue to work together to give us a powerful mixer and good hardware support.

In terms of KDE, Phonon is an configurable API bridge between KDE (Qt) Applications and either - a) an ALSA sound card or b) Pulse (for which it has support). From what I gather, Phonon is not a sound system!

It just needs a little more time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little while back I asked some questions to the pulse team about the state of play regarding pulse/alsa and the many offshoots we have. I also asked them about the possibility of merging pulse and alsa to give us one interface, and them direct access to functions in ALSA.</p>
<p>They came back to me to say this will never happen, however I have seen proof that the ALSA team are willing to help PulseAudio become a stable entity, including fixes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that ALSA&#8217;s backend (Hardware) is extremely stable. It&#8217;s their frontends that need work.</p>
<p>So I gather from that that we need pulseaudio to cement it&#8217;s position in the desktop, and for pulse and ALSA to continue to work together to give us a powerful mixer and good hardware support.</p>
<p>In terms of KDE, Phonon is an configurable API bridge between KDE (Qt) Applications and either &#8211; a) an ALSA sound card or b) Pulse (for which it has support). From what I gather, Phonon is not a sound system!</p>
<p>It just needs a little more time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ajibola</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-89551</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajibola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey guys, nice to see windows, osx and lnux users co-existing on the same page...lol. Well my story is that I have a creative Audigy 2 ZS Notebook card and a 5.1 speaker attached to it. Since I&#039;ve started using Ubuntu Linux in 2005, sound has only been coming out of two front speakers but after 3 years of trying out different configurations on alsa and pulse-audio, sometimes breaking my Linux installation in the process and going through different Linux forums, I finally made it happen. Now I have true surround sound on my laptop using the Audigy 2 ZS card and Ubuntu Intrepid (using Pulse-Audio)
To a new Linux user with no patience, this can be a very a very frustrating experience and is enough to persuade any user to switch back to windows or the bitch-ass(OSX). What is needed is a unified sound system for Linux that wold make it work across all distributions. Cause when I used my Pulse Audio configuration in OpenSUSE; it didn&#039;t work and it&#039;s the same Pulse Audio !!!. I love Linux (still use windows though) and that&#039;s why I had the patience but I am sure that new users would be discouraged from using Linux as their main OS. Most people just want an OS that works !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey guys, nice to see windows, osx and lnux users co-existing on the same page&#8230;lol. Well my story is that I have a creative Audigy 2 ZS Notebook card and a 5.1 speaker attached to it. Since I&#8217;ve started using Ubuntu Linux in 2005, sound has only been coming out of two front speakers but after 3 years of trying out different configurations on alsa and pulse-audio, sometimes breaking my Linux installation in the process and going through different Linux forums, I finally made it happen. Now I have true surround sound on my laptop using the Audigy 2 ZS card and Ubuntu Intrepid (using Pulse-Audio)<br />
To a new Linux user with no patience, this can be a very a very frustrating experience and is enough to persuade any user to switch back to windows or the bitch-ass(OSX). What is needed is a unified sound system for Linux that wold make it work across all distributions. Cause when I used my Pulse Audio configuration in OpenSUSE; it didn&#8217;t work and it&#8217;s the same Pulse Audio !!!. I love Linux (still use windows though) and that&#8217;s why I had the patience but I am sure that new users would be discouraged from using Linux as their main OS. Most people just want an OS that works !</p>
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		<title>By: XANi</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-89258</link>
		<dc:creator>XANi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as i remember (ilve started to use linux somewhere in &#039;97) sound always been a prob under linux. First it was coz OSS3 was kinda retarded (one device - one stream) and coz of ISA (and ISA &quot;Plug and Play&quot; which was quite difficult to configure).
Then came ALSA. First there were probs with OSS apps, configuring wrapper etc. and still u couldn&#039;t run 2 oss apps on same time.
Second, indamous dmix. Some cards dont have thing called &quot;hardware mixing&quot; so mixing sound from diff apps have to be done in software. ALSA have it but back then it was usually mis- or unconfigured and ppl have to play with configs to get things working.
(btw. If u dont want to have probs with your sound under linux, BUY A REAL SOUND CARD! with hw mixing etc. SB Live! from ebay works good ;])
Then when &quot;out of the box&quot; sound usually works, some guys come and say &quot;Hey ALSA is BAD, OSS4 is GOOD&quot; so what we didnt even implement midi, mare new api for all ur programs and use OSS4. Why ? because.
PulseAudio is another sound daemon who repair things that dont work in sound system in OS but i&#039;d rather want to repair things in ALSA, not another layer on sound system</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as i remember (ilve started to use linux somewhere in &#8216;97) sound always been a prob under linux. First it was coz OSS3 was kinda retarded (one device &#8211; one stream) and coz of ISA (and ISA &#8220;Plug and Play&#8221; which was quite difficult to configure).<br />
Then came ALSA. First there were probs with OSS apps, configuring wrapper etc. and still u couldn&#8217;t run 2 oss apps on same time.<br />
Second, indamous dmix. Some cards dont have thing called &#8220;hardware mixing&#8221; so mixing sound from diff apps have to be done in software. ALSA have it but back then it was usually mis- or unconfigured and ppl have to play with configs to get things working.<br />
(btw. If u dont want to have probs with your sound under linux, BUY A REAL SOUND CARD! with hw mixing etc. SB Live! from ebay works good ;])<br />
Then when &#8220;out of the box&#8221; sound usually works, some guys come and say &#8220;Hey ALSA is BAD, OSS4 is GOOD&#8221; so what we didnt even implement midi, mare new api for all ur programs and use OSS4. Why ? because.<br />
PulseAudio is another sound daemon who repair things that dont work in sound system in OS but i&#8217;d rather want to repair things in ALSA, not another layer on sound system</p>
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		<title>By: linux audio confusing as ever &#124; Cecep Mahbub</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-88992</link>
		<dc:creator>linux audio confusing as ever &#124; Cecep Mahbub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] baca tulisan di blog ini (linux audio confusing as ever) yang saya jadikan judul tulisan ini. Dan jika Anda memiliki ide untuk mengatasi masalah sound [...]</description>
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		<title>By: patrick88</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-88776</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had more problem getting stuff to work under win than gnu/linux.  That is why I switched and will never go back.
Audio on linux for me has worked out of the box every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had more problem getting stuff to work under win than gnu/linux.  That is why I switched and will never go back.<br />
Audio on linux for me has worked out of the box every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Madme</title>
		<link>http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2008/12/19/linux-audio-confusing-as-ever/#comment-88741</link>
		<dc:creator>Madme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and if you’re bored enough subscribe to the RSS feed on the same page. I’m certain some Windows user will slag me off and epic lulz will result..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and if you’re bored enough subscribe to the RSS feed on the same page. I’m certain some Windows user will slag me off and epic lulz will result..</p>
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